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Post by racingnation on Jul 11, 2013 14:43:32 GMT -5
Is there a cutoff date or mitigation plan for finalizing AL open teams? It would be nice to know what teams to research sooner rather than later, having to research 8 teams would result in a lot of wasted effort. And it's getting to be fantasy football research time too, time crunch for us hard working folks! Also, is there any estimate when the league will be set up in ESPN or Yahoo or whatever?
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Post by racingnation on Jul 11, 2013 14:50:11 GMT -5
I like that suggestion, Twins GM!
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Post by Cubs GM on Jul 11, 2013 14:55:06 GMT -5
No worries on the repeats, I ended up deleting the app it was so bad :[
I like getting to control most of the Cubs signings, even though I lose out on players like Hendricks, Villanueva, and Torreyes. I don't get Archer back, and I won't get Garza unless I use up a tag because he is a free agent after this year which is a bummer. My point is, there is no perfect way of setting things up. You have to pick a system and go with it.
Nationals has final say of course, but from the standpoint of a Boardmember who has to approve all trades/rosters/free agent signings/callups this makes sense. We can easily go onto baseball reference for any player to double check which team signed a player. Simple. There's no easy reference for finding out which system a player was in on June 9. That's a huge pain in the ass when every transaction has to be checked by me.
I guess we could have back dated to the beginning of the season or the end of last season but the problem is the same for boardmembers, and for the guy that has to go back and find rosters for a specific day in history in order to set starter rosters it's much more difficult.
I do appreciate your guys feedback and that it sucks not having prospects who are performing well in your system, but there is no way of doing this without some teams losing out on some players they want. The prospect rule has been there from the start but if Nationals sticks with the current set-up I don't see a problem in you swapping teams if you prefer a different team.
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Post by Cubs GM on Jul 11, 2013 15:02:55 GMT -5
Is there a cutoff date or mitigation plan for finalizing AL open teams? It would be nice to know what teams to research sooner rather than later, having to research 8 teams would result in a lot of wasted effort. And it's getting to be fantasy football research time too, time crunch for us hard working folks! Also, is there any estimate when the league will be set up in ESPN or Yahoo or whatever? Haha, I volunteered for the task of advertising the league so it falls on me to fill those teams (I think we need five more at this point). I'll make some more posts today and hopefully get those filled. That's a good point about setting a date for assigning some teams as the unowned teams, I don't have time to research that many teams either. I'll ask the board to rule on that and getting things set up on espn.
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Post by racingnation on Jul 11, 2013 15:13:31 GMT -5
Many thanks!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2013 15:28:00 GMT -5
Thanks. I'm happy with my team since twins never trade for anybody.
It just feels double dipping when someone gets both Shields and Myers. Seems less realistic and going to make the gap bigger between the haves and have nots. The research will be fun
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Post by Nationals GM on Jul 11, 2013 17:09:52 GMT -5
Hey fellas, yeah we set the rule for the ownership of prospects pretty much for the reasons listed by the Cubs. Another reason we settled on the rule is because most of the MLB players that were part of those trades are either super expensive or have contracts that are about to expire, so the benefit for certain teams like the Jays isn't as much as it might seem at first, especially given that we have $100M salary caps and guys like Reyes will eat up almost 1/5 of that cap space or use up a franchise tag. Most of the teams will gain a few players and lose a few players. I actually think that Philly ended up with the best deal but since they're an unowned franchise all their players will be distributed to the league through the draft. The Royals did end up in a better position too, but even with that help I don't think they're one of the better teams or systems in the league. Anyway like Cubs said, in every system we considered we saw flaws. We think the "you get the players your team signed unless they 1. were included on another starter roster or 2. are 2013 signings who get drafted in the 2013 NFAD" setup is the best mix of pros and cons and will make things the smoothest for the league (especially after getting the league started this first year). edit: the board is still discussing the AL unowned teams date, but we will have a deadline for deciding which teams are unowned. We're talking about Aug 1 right now. I'll update this when the board makes a decision
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2013 18:09:43 GMT -5
Cool. This helps alot. Obviously you guys put more thought into this. Without being part of structuring the league. It seemed weird. But totally makes sense. Looking forward!
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Post by Nationals GM on Jul 11, 2013 20:45:08 GMT -5
Well that was quick, good work Cubs. Unowned teams are: White Sox, Yankees, Blue Jays, Phillies, Padres, Brewers. Some excellent players to be had in the NFAD.
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Post by Braves GM on Jul 12, 2013 7:27:55 GMT -5
Great to see the league full already! What happens to expiring 2013 contracts for those six unowned teams? Are they in the free agent pool or the draft?
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Post by Nationals GM on Jul 12, 2013 12:30:10 GMT -5
Good question, all expiring contracts go into the free agent pool.
Also, the board looked at the question of whether we want to allow franchise tags to be placed on players taken in either the draft or the free agent market. We are going to stick with the rules as the Cards described it. Thanks for bringing this up, it wasn't clear before and I will amend the rules to have a clearer rule regarding tagging a player: "In each season, owners may place a franchise tag on a player anytime between the first day of the regular season and the day that official rosters are due for the next season (usually Nov. 1)."
The reason we went that way is that it'll make free agency more straight forward. The purpose of the franchise tags was primarily to allow owners to retain their best players. The tags can be used in other ways, such as sacrificing a tag to eliminate a bad contract (a silly rule in real life, but important for the inevitable situation where we are trying to rehab an abandoned team that is saddled with bad contracts). Plus we didn't want to see a whole bunch of bids of $75m per year for 6 years when the owner has the intent to slap a tag on the guy right away. Free agent contracts will be more meaningful this way.
For this season, September 1 is the official lock date so draftees will not eligible for a franchise tag until the first day of the regular season.
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Post by Nationals GM on Jul 12, 2013 13:07:38 GMT -5
We went through the franchise player rules and cleaned them up a bit to try to make things clearer (there were some things that seemed to conflict in there):
You can tag a player from the first day of the regular season until the day that official rosters are due.
On the first day of the off-season each year tags will age a year (So a 2013FPA1 tag will turn into a 2013FPA2 tag on the first day of the 2014 off-season. Tags made in 2014 will not age until the first day of the 2015 off-season.)
Hope that helps!
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Post by Braves GM on Jul 12, 2013 15:45:38 GMT -5
This is really helpful. Now for removing an FP tag! If I use an FP tag for 2014 and 2015 and remove it on whatever day in October 2015 it turns from FP2 to FP3, I can use that tag on another player in 2016 as long as I apply it by November 1. Is that right?
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Post by Nationals GM on Jul 12, 2013 17:03:42 GMT -5
This is really helpful. Now for removing an FP tag! If I use an FP tag for 2014 and 2015 and remove it on whatever day in October 2015 it turns from FP2 to FP3, I can use that tag on another player in 2016 as long as I apply it by November 1. Is that right? Yes, you can drop a player after the tag turns 3 and, since there will be about a month between the tag turning 3 and the roster lock date, you can then apply the tag to a different player. We like giving owners control to keep their favorite/most important players; the 2 year rule for trades and the 3 year rule for dropping a player is there to limit teams from using the franchise tag to knock down player salaries and trade a whole bunch of them or from using the franchise tag as a get out of jail free card for bad signings.
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Post by racingnation on Jul 17, 2013 12:33:54 GMT -5
Are you all tagging players now just to have more cap space available heading into the draft and free agency? I can't figure any other benefit to tag now, rather than waiting until the beginning of the season (April 2014). My plan was to wait to tag Wright at the beginning of 2014 season, based on the extremely unlikely scenario where I draft or acquire 2 even higher salaried players before then.
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